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SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby microbiotic » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:39 pm

The addition if Six Reds Snooker, to have some shorter snooker matches.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-red_snooker
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby ingmu » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:50 am

private chat

The window is closed right after one of us click "X", but sometimes we chatted and left computer/VP4 for a while.
We are not sure if the last message is seen by another sometimes.

It would be better to have a notice message which shows "one of us closed the window" in the private chat, then another can close his window manually instead of just shut it down by the system. The last message could be lost.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby RTC-UK » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:19 am

Below is purely & simply fun,
Certain posts at FB inspired my
'tongue in cheek' ideas.

1. The game needs a 'chalk your cue' button.
2. There should be a 'cloth key' to wipe pro-X shaft.
3. It needs a chair for sitting in when my opponent is at table.
4. What about a menu that links to HungryHouse.co.uk
5. A cheering sound each time I win.
6. The window doors at Beach House should open.
7. Candlelight should flicker at Loch Lomond.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby QBall70 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:14 pm

I recently switched my FOV from 30 to 45. This is a big change for me, but I'm getting used to it and now I'm starting to play fairly well. However, I then switched to snooker, and I'm having problems making any decent break. The FOV isn't working for me, so for snooker I have to reduce it back down to 30 or 35. It would be nice to be able to auto-switch to a different FOV when switching between pool and snooker. I know I can adjust it manually, but an automatic option would be nice. In fact, having 2 FOV settings and being able to switch between them with a hotkey would be better.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby ingmu » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:57 pm

Cue ball size

The size of CBs of snooker, pool, and carom are different. Right now the CB is fixed size from 1st person view if you have "Last Distance" on.
It's correct yet wrong. I have to "zoom out" in snooker and "zoom in" in carom, because that's how I saw in RL when I switched from pool to snooker/carom.

I assume it would be better if you consider the real size of CBs in Last Distance.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby AlytPool » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:29 am

An option to save password would be nice, so we dont need to type it in vp4 online menu every time we connect.
Online cue pricing, classified by deflection/price.

http://imgur.com/a/9E4r3
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby AlMightyBob » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:43 am

Concerning stats. At the moment they don't take into account the table settings at the time of recording. If I run 50 balls in straight pool on a bar box with novice pockets versus 50 balls on a 9 footer with club pockets, the stats don't reflect that. I'm not sure splitting a stat into table categories is an ideal solution but it should be acknowledged somehow. Maybe you could hover over the stat and see a popup with further info, not unlike right clicking a game room in the lobby. You could have icons next to the stat to represent the table settings too.

Wolfpack's suggestions for ladders are great! There's a lot of cool stuff you could do to reward players for playing. Tiers would be very cool.

Quick question, what abuse are you referring to with a 'Leave after current game' checkbox? Are you saying someone could auto-leave then rejoin to try and influence the break? Surely that's preventable.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby Andreas Binz » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:53 am

Challenge play:
Need a in game button to set me as spectator (not needed to go out and go in as spectator) and a button to set me as queuing.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby klingklang76 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:30 am

Me and my fellow 3 cushion players would really, really like to see an in-game innings counter... I know it's been asked for a long time, but surely it can't be too hard to implement? That would mean a lot to 3c enthusiasts. Oh, btw: tha same would apply to any other carom game (free, 1c, 4ball...) :-"

Thanks!
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby Wolfpack » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:27 am

Everyone can notice that challenge rooms are most popular and players mostly search for games in those rooms. There are probably few reasons for that:
-games are not long to play or wait (race to 1, especially 9ball)
-you can leave any time if you have to go (in between racks, average every 2-3 minutes)
-you don't have to ask anyone to play, most challenge rooms are open for everyone
-and most important it's fast and simple

Since current "9 ball open" ladders are not popular you should try with race to 1, or maybe race to 2, 9 ball ladders with small challenge fee (10-20V$). Idea would be to create format similar to challenge rooms but with ladders. Bad things about this would be:
-players complaining about luck factor
-quick way to lose V$ since your win success must be more than 75% to earn some V$ because vp4 takes 50%
-time to find and set the match can be longer than play time

Good things:
-ladders will be more dynamic, players will move up and down all the time because games are fast and short
-chances to win/lose the match are close to 50-50 even if ratings difference between players is >500. In long matches like race to 7, better player have a lot higher chance to win, longer the race > higher the chance for better players
-lag for break will be more significant. If player runouts from break, loser can't complain about luck too much since he lost the lag
-since launch of beta we only had long tournaments where you need to stay in game for few hours, even 9b ladder race to 7 can be played for over 1 hour, there was nothing fast with V$ involved
-will be interesting to see who can stay on top with this tricky, fast, luck involved format

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJLvJkrTJXY
This is just a video example of Quick play button I suggested before. Very easy and simple way to find the match and would be great addition to VP4.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby ingmu » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:08 am

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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby deraltefritz » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:08 am

Recent Activity tab on a players profile page shows all previous matches of a player, which is a nice thing.
But when you play for half an hour in a challenge room, the last two pages are quite cluttered up by "1-0", "0-1" results.
So how about grouping certain "events" in the Recent Activity tab?

Instead of:
Dizzle has defeated deraltefritz in a match of 9-Ball, 1 - 0 March 21, 2014 12:17 am
deraltefritz has defeated Silvia in a match of 9-Ball, 1 - 0 March 21, 2014 12:14 am
deraltefritz has defeated Silvia in a match of 9-Ball, 1 - 0 March 21, 2014 12:11 am
...
it could be:
+ deraltefritz won X out of Y matches in a 9-ball challenge room March 21, 2014 12:17 am.

where the little "+" on the left would open up the detailed view as it is right now.

Similar for tournaments, instead of:
MorkaC has defeated deraltefritz in a match of One Pocket, 2 - 1, 0ne Pocket weekly, round 11
deraltefritz has defeated MorkaC in a match of One Pocket, 2 - 1, 0ne Pocket weekly, round 4
deraltefritz has defeated Mr. Bill in a match of One Pocket, 2 - 0, 0ne Pocket weekly, round 3
deraltefritz has defeated mojoicus in a match of One Pocket, 2 - 0, 0ne Pocket weekly, round 2
deraltefritz has defeated Silvia in a match of One Pocket, 0 - 0, 0ne Pocket weekly, round 1

it could be:
+ deraltefritz reached 2nd place in One Pocket weekly.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby ingmu » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:09 pm

Ok, my misunderstanding. In the first days, I was wondering why there are only 5 kind of ladder games.
Indeed there can be more than one 9b ladder settings, yet the problem is still too less players/attraction.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby ingmu » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:02 pm

Login

On the website, you can't see many things if you didn't login. It's not friendly to new customers.
If you want to draw new players, you have to keep it OPEN.

ps. Also someone mentioned before, make VP4 Online remember passwords so you don't need to type them every time.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby dayveed » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:56 am

Hey all,

-I thought it would be nice to have the choice to split tabs for chat (with columns), to read all in once, with the active one more highlighted (maybe a less darker background for the active tab).
we lose some useful space in the width with wide screens :)

-to have sound alert for ready rooms in tournaments (and whynot an email, when it's getting long)

-maximum points left on the table in snooker for lazy people like me

-maybe a slightly focused background. i only can play in an empty black room and can't bear any background (how is it for you all ? i wonder)

-i like the idea of a chalk hotkey/button [-o<

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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby Romario11 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:02 am

would be good if we could see a list if rooms while in a game... i realise it may be a little late in the day for this though!
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby Olivsulan » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:35 pm

Enabling sound when replaying in slow motion, like in vp3.
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby ingmu » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:39 am

Overall rating

For those non-popular games, average rating for a player is quite less than popular games, because there are less players.
Top players may only get 1700+, while top 9b players get 2000+.
Even after several months from now, I think the problem will still be there. (just like VP3)

So it's like more (non-popular) types of games you played, lower rating you got.
Maybe you can do something different to overall rating, not just average all games' rating. (Or maybe you already did? I don't know)

Ex: make a weight of every game from top 10% or 20% players, then normalize and average ratings with weight
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby Olivsulan » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:36 pm

[-o< Please remove those OUT OF SYNC message boxes, or add an option to get rid of them [-o<
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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR VP4 ONLINE.

Postby ingmu » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:02 am

Watch Shots

I think few people would really download all shots and watch them. Even fewer would really rate them.
Because there isn't a complete system, after download and watch crappy shots, people tend to not watch anymore, or just watch those 4~5 stars rating shots. This is a vicious cycle, and a waste to this feature.

1. We can have a volunteer team of 10~20 players (judges), to rate shots first, and give them fair ratings.
To reduce the work, every shot needs only 6~10 rates from the judges, before it goes "online"(can be viewed by others).
We hope all shots can be rated and online in 2~3 days after uploaded by players.
Other players can still add their ratings after the shots went online like now. We just need a judge system before that.

2. We saw some shots with very short/non-completed descriptions.
We also need a new title/description for every shot from judges, because non-English players sometimes can't make the correct description, or people just didn't have time to make a good description during the match.

The goal is to let all shots have obvious titles/descriptions and fair ratings, to let people easy and like to watch.

3. Top 10 shots every month for lazy people, and for the video-less VP4 homepage.
Or we can make a real video for top shots and upload to the official VP4 YouTube channel.
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