VP4 Pub World rules error
Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:30 pm
Just found an error with the break system with the pool english pub world rules when breaking.
Current: When potting on a break it is constituted as a foul shot and two shots are awarded to the opponent player no matter if the break was legal or not (i.e. four balls, ball potted etc...).
SHOULD BE: If the break is valid and the cue ball is potted the only penalty should be a pass of turn with the cue ball in baulk. If the break is invalid i.e. if 4 balls don't hit the cushion or you hit the cue ball off the table then it becomes a two shot foul.
relevant section of EPA rules (from http://www.epa.org.uk/wrules.php)
4. a) The Break will be deemed a "Fair Break" if:-
i) At least one Colour is potted. AND/OR
ii) Four Object Balls (at least) are driven to a cushion.
b) If the Break is not a Fair Break it is a Non-Standard Foul and:-
i) The opponent is awarded two visits.
ii) The balls are re-racked.
iii) The opponent re-starts the game and is under the same obligation to achieve a Fair Break.
c) i) If the Cue Ball is potted on a Fair Break it is a Non-Standard Foul that is penalised by the turn passing to the opponent.
ii) If the break is not a Fair Break and the Cue Ball is potted, the penalty for failure to perform a Fair Break applies. (See (b) above).
Finally, I haven't noticed this but is the "total snooker" rules implemented? relevant section of rules in "legal shot"...
3) Exceptions:
a) On the Break, the conditions of a Legal Shot do not apply. {See (F) The Break}
b) When playing out of a Total Snooker a player is only obliged to meet the conditions of (1)(a) above.
i) Definition: A player is in a Total Snooker when it is impossible to play any part of any of the player's own Colour by way of a "straight line" shot. Leaving an opponent in a Total Snooker is not a foul.
ii) If a player believes that a Total Snooker exists, the player may ask the referee for a ruling.
iii) If the referee rules that a Total Snooker exists, the player's obligations under the "Legal Shot" rule are relaxed as follows:- The player need only cause the Cue Ball's initial contact to be with a ball "On". The requirement to pot a ball and / or cause a ball to strike a cushion is waived.
iv) In a Total Snooker, the straight sections of the cushions DO come into consideration. If a player has to strike a cushion prior to impact with a “ball on”, then a "Total Snooker" does exist.
Cheers
Koopa
Current: When potting on a break it is constituted as a foul shot and two shots are awarded to the opponent player no matter if the break was legal or not (i.e. four balls, ball potted etc...).
SHOULD BE: If the break is valid and the cue ball is potted the only penalty should be a pass of turn with the cue ball in baulk. If the break is invalid i.e. if 4 balls don't hit the cushion or you hit the cue ball off the table then it becomes a two shot foul.
relevant section of EPA rules (from http://www.epa.org.uk/wrules.php)
4. a) The Break will be deemed a "Fair Break" if:-
i) At least one Colour is potted. AND/OR
ii) Four Object Balls (at least) are driven to a cushion.
b) If the Break is not a Fair Break it is a Non-Standard Foul and:-
i) The opponent is awarded two visits.
ii) The balls are re-racked.
iii) The opponent re-starts the game and is under the same obligation to achieve a Fair Break.
c) i) If the Cue Ball is potted on a Fair Break it is a Non-Standard Foul that is penalised by the turn passing to the opponent.
ii) If the break is not a Fair Break and the Cue Ball is potted, the penalty for failure to perform a Fair Break applies. (See (b) above).
Finally, I haven't noticed this but is the "total snooker" rules implemented? relevant section of rules in "legal shot"...
3) Exceptions:
a) On the Break, the conditions of a Legal Shot do not apply. {See (F) The Break}
b) When playing out of a Total Snooker a player is only obliged to meet the conditions of (1)(a) above.
i) Definition: A player is in a Total Snooker when it is impossible to play any part of any of the player's own Colour by way of a "straight line" shot. Leaving an opponent in a Total Snooker is not a foul.
ii) If a player believes that a Total Snooker exists, the player may ask the referee for a ruling.
iii) If the referee rules that a Total Snooker exists, the player's obligations under the "Legal Shot" rule are relaxed as follows:- The player need only cause the Cue Ball's initial contact to be with a ball "On". The requirement to pot a ball and / or cause a ball to strike a cushion is waived.
iv) In a Total Snooker, the straight sections of the cushions DO come into consideration. If a player has to strike a cushion prior to impact with a “ball on”, then a "Total Snooker" does exist.
Cheers
Koopa